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Beitragvon zahar » 15.03.2006 - 12:39

Yes, the above photo does not fit the exact description, and different from the type photo. But it is a rubrimontis. Why? It came through a friend who recently collected the fishes from the type locality (in Selama, Perak; near Bukit Merah).
Anyway the fish is not well illuminated and it still small.

Note: I am residing in Malaysia and have a special interest in the native species. We (a group of us) collected the breeding stock on our own.
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Beitragvon karen_k » 15.03.2006 - 13:26

@ zahar : welcome to the forum, it's nice that you joined us! My compliments on your picture. A beautiful fish!
Do you have more Parosphromenus species, besides this one?

@ Martin : you wrote "deine filamentosus sind ja phantastisch bunt"
Yes, but as I wrote, the flash light I used brings out the blue colors. Therefore this male is even prettier on the pictures compared to how I normally see him: in low aquarium light and in tea-brown water.

So the flash light makes his colors stand out more (esp. the blue colors). And on top of that, the fish on the picture is the dominant male of the group. The other males are colored less brightly. Still, the fish at the picture is a beauty indeed!

My filamentosus were imported from Japan, from a breeder in that country.

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Paros new types

Beitragvon emha » 16.03.2006 - 10:13

Hello Zahar, I `ve been in Malaysia for vacancies sometimes and also for catching fishes (paros, betta in the south and east of peninsular M., and Sarawak). So I`m very interested in malaysian Paros (also people) and to get in contact with malaysian fishkeepers. If you are shure, this paro is from Bukit Merah, I`m surprised /disapointed. My imagination of rubrimontis differs extremly. (But I have never had paros which came shurely from this locality). I´ve maintained the form (of your picture) some years before, but I thougt it was a undiscribed new one. And the old pictures from Horst Linke and those from Kotellat (from description P. rubrimontis) show in my opinion an normal bintan-type. Near to alfredi, but with black pectoral filaments.
Some questions to the fish:
Are the margins of unpaired fins white or bluish?
Which size they (will) get?
Do you (ore your friends) have more fishes of this type?
Do you have some more pictures for discussion?

You could also send me are pm. Thank you for this intresting story.

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Beitragvon zahar » 18.03.2006 - 04:37

When I got the fishes, the excitement was overwhelming and I took them without giving a second look on how they really looked. But since Martin had raised the appearance issue, I started to realise the differences compared to the type characteristic.

[img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/zahardr/Paros/rubrimontis_02.jpg[/img]

Here’s another photo. A “bad” one, but enough to show the colouration and pattern. The patterns on the fins are the same as the type description. So do the colours on the caudal, anal and pelvic fins. The blue distal and subdistal margins are very prominent. On the other hand, the dorsal fin is not. The distal margin has very weak blue tint while the subdistal band is yellow or coppery in colour.
Actually I did visit the type locality last November but came back empty handed. The time wasn’t quite right as it was just after the monsoon season and the water level was still high. A friend went back to the very spot in February and managed to collect about a dozen specimens just a couple of hundred metres from the location that we visited earlier. Talk about luck.
I am yet to see the other specimens (at the friend’s place), but as the collection place is at (or very near) the type locality, to me the identity is not to be argued. Maybe just another variation in the colour or maybe because of the difference in water condition? BTW the largest male is just under 2cm TL at the moment.

The only other spp I'm keeping at the moment is a pair of nagyi.
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Paro from Bukit Merah

Beitragvon emha » 18.03.2006 - 12:20

Hello Zahar, thank you for the picture and description. This are the same type, we got in germany/ the netherlands some years before (I think 2001/2002). Your picture shows the difference to rubrimontis, in my oppinion. They have no clear pattern in the caudal fin. I think they would be judged better after been grown.
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Welcome, Zahar, and an announcement

Beitragvon Peter Finke » 19.03.2006 - 06:01

Zahar, I should like to welcome you as Karen and Martin did before to our lively Paro-forum! By posting the photographs of those very interesting and special Paros you have aroused our imagination very much.
There is one problem of this forum for you and your friends, I know, and that is language. (Fortunately, you have simply neglected it: good!!) I am told by the president of the German IGL, which hosts this forum, that the language should be German, and I can understand this because most of the members of IGL speak German. And you will know that there are (or were) many outstanding people here in Gemany who contributed very much to the discovery and knowledge of Parosphromenus. Some of them are still with us, they are close friends of us and they read or even write in this forum. (And one can contact them directly or indirectly by joining this forum, as you did).
But the president agreed that in the future for corresponding with our foreign friends it must be possible to use the English language more often, too. (We did and do that already in some cases). And your joining this forum is the proof for this necessity: Of course there is no language problem at all, of course you can write in English and you will be answered in English! We welcome you heartily with us! We would very much be inclined to welcome more people from Malaysia or the neighbouring countries as enthusiastic as you are on this forum, and they certainly may write in English, of course. But I beg you to understand that there will be many contributions in German, too. If you should like to have some interpreted, please let me know.
I think that sooner or later more of our discussions will happen in English because we need the communication with the rest of the Paro-world, especially in the countries the Paros come from. (I am a professor of linguistics and I know what I speak of).
And so I have thought about the possibilities we have to induce this. And I had an idea. Being the moderator of this forum and seeing this necessity, I herewith announce a special new "posting basket" (or trait) for those people "outside in the world" who have heard about this very lively forum but who are deterred to contribute by the fact that most of the discussion are in German. There will be a new "basket" called "Inviting English-speaking Paro-friends", and it is meant simply as an invitation to people like you and your friends to join the lively discussions on Paros we have here in this forum by posting their messages in this new basket or in whatever basket they like, and of course can do that in English. You did not need that encouragement and contribute to other traits, and that's fine, but there maybe others who may need it to have a point for beginning.
Just one word at last: Martin already mentioned the exciting fish you collected near Bukit Merah and you posted some photographs of could not be P. rubrimontis . If this were the case then it is likely that either the photograph Kottelat and Ng encluded in their description of rubrimontis is not the best one could have chosen, or there are two different forms of Parosphromenus occurring near Bukit Merah. An exciting question, be it like that or like this.
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Beitragvon zahar » 19.03.2006 - 11:57

Thanks for the initiative. I'll "advertise" this forum to the rest of my colleagues. Yes, the language is a bit of problem, but with online translators, I think I can make out most of the discussion. It takes a bit of extra work, but it is worth the effort.

Sincethe ID of the above fishes appears to raise more questions than answers, I'm seeing another opportunity and need to sample the mentioned site again. :D Talk about finding excuses.
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Thanks and some questions

Beitragvon Peter Finke » 20.03.2006 - 05:31

zahar hat geschrieben:Thanks for the initiative. I'll "advertise" this forum to the rest of my colleagues

Thank you, Zahar, for answering very soon to my initiative and for promising to "advertise" our Paro-forum to your colleages. We all are very keen to learn more about the fish you will find at the Bukit Merah site when you will take new samples. Have you been fishing at other Paro-sites too? You mentioned P. nagyi in one of your postings. We know of two different forms of nagyi; we call them "Kuantan" and "Cherating" according to the two sites they were found. Kuantan is the terra typica, whereas M. Hallmann collected the Cherating-form some years ago. Kuantan has a white band in the caudal and a prominent spot in the dorsal, whereas the Cherating's colours in the fins are turquoise all over.
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Beitragvon zahar » 21.03.2006 - 17:37

Two forms? Does it means the Martin's photo is showing a Kuantan's?

Nagyi had been recorded in Kuantan and Chukai (Brown & Brown, 1988). So it is not sa suprise to find nagyi in Cherating as it lies between those 2 places. But where exactly? Cherating is a very popular holiday destination with beautiful beaches and nice resorts (got a Club Med too).
How about specimens from Pekan area; south of Kuantan?

Anyway, here some of my photos. Far from satisfying ...


At day 1 free-swimming
[img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/zahardr/Paros/nagyiday1.jpg[/img]

..and day 30.
[img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d158/zahardr/Paros/nagyiday30.jpg[/img]
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P. nagyi

Beitragvon emha » 21.03.2006 - 20:07

Hello Zahar, I caught the nagyi "Cherating" in the years 2000 and again 2004 nearby the Kampung behind the rails. If your are interested for more information, send me a pm. The nagyi "Kuantan" I caught in the year 2000 in the south of Kuantan, 15 km direction Mersing. You can see the differences in our PARO ARTENLISTE. There is a gallery with two pictures (you can enlarge) from this two types.
From which location do your nagyis come?

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Beitragvon zahar » 22.03.2006 - 14:45

Mine were from a stream about 30 from Kuantan (the main road to Kuala Lumpur).
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Mail

Beitragvon Peter Finke » 22.03.2006 - 18:09

Zahar, having telephoned with Horst Linke, I just wrote a private mail to you. Please look in "pm".
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Photos of young Paros

Beitragvon Peter Finke » 24.03.2006 - 07:50

Zahar, many thanks for the photos of two young nagyi. Danke für die beiden Photos von nagyi-Jungfischen. We need them for our Galerie. Wir wollen in unserer Paro-Galerie (auf dieser IGL-Homepage) nämlich auch Jungfscihe abbilden. Could we use them on this Homepage (only!) by naming you as photographer?
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Pekan-nagyi

Beitragvon Peter Finke » 26.03.2006 - 06:20

Zahar, in your mail from 21.3. you asked whether we know of nagyi from the Pekan-area south of Kuantan. I remember one member of our Paro-group (Andreas Pohlschmidt) who told me some months ago that there were nagyi here in Germany some years ago associated with the type locality "Pekan Nenas". Afterwards, I looked at the map (together with Martin Hallmann) who knows the Kuantan- and Cherating-areas himself and there was Pekan quite near to it.
Have you seen nagyi from Pekan? Do they show small or clear differences to the Kuantan- or the Cherating-type? I remember that in our list of Paro-species we left a space open with the question: Is there a third form of nagyi? The fish I spoke of in the beginning, are probably no longer existent here in Germany. I haven't seen them in that days. I know of no photograph.
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Beitragvon zahar » 27.03.2006 - 00:12

I have no objection about using the photo. But aren't they a bit too low in quality?

I am not sure about Pekan's population. I am sure there are nagyi(s) there but have not seen any. As the matter of fact, none of my colleagues have seen one. We haven't been able to sample those area but plans had been laid. Just waiting for timely execution.
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